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Guiliani - September Criminal or 911 hero? - 4
What did Giuliani do that so outraged the firefighter's and their families, that they would still hold such a grudge against him 5 years later? One cannot understand the source of this contention unless one has done some real and difficult research into the events of that day. "In November 2001, our members were continuing the painful, but necessary, task of searching Ground Zero for the remains of our fallen brothers and the thousands of innocent citizens that were killed, because precious few of those who died in the terrorist attacks had been recovered at that point. Prior to November 2001, 101 bodies or remains of fire fighters had been recovered. And those on the horrible pile at Ground Zero believed they had just found a spot in the rubble where they would find countless more that could be given proper burial. Nevertheless, Giuliani, with the full support of his Fire Commissioner Thomas Von Essen, decided on November 2, 2001, to sharply reduce the number of those who could search for remains at any one time. There had been as many as 300 fire fighters at a time involved in search and recovery, but Giuliani cut that number to no more than 25 who could be there at once.
In conjunction with the cut in fire fighters allowed to search, Giuliani also made a conscious decision to institute a "scoop-and-dump" operation to expedite the clean-up of Ground Zero in lieu of the more time-consuming, but respectful, process of removing debris piece by piece in hope of uncovering more remains. Mayor Giuliani's actions meant that fire fighters and citizens who perished would either remain buried at Ground Zero forever, with no closure for families, or be removed like garbage and deposited at the Fresh Kills Landfill. .when hundreds of family members of the fallen joined with our affiliate leadership and members to protest Giuliani's decision, he ordered senior officers of the New York Police Department to arrest 15 of our FDNY brothers, including a number of local elected IAFF leaders."
Here is where the mainstream falls short in their reporting: Why would Giuliani all of a sudden forcefully remove Firefighter's from 'the pile' and in such a way that resulted in a brawl between the NYPD and the NYFD? What the mainstream press will never dig into or question is: why did Giuliani place more importance on cleaning up "the pile" than in taking a slow-retrieval approach to accessing the bodies of firefighters, police, and emergency workers still trapped in the wreckage of those buildings? Though 2 months later, chances were that no one was still alive, many still clung to the hope, that loved ones would be dug out of the devastation of those destroyed buildings. Families wanted a chance for closure, bodies of their loved ones returned so that they could honor them with a proper memorial and burial. The friends families of the fallen wanted to take their time in dismantling 'the pile', so that the dead would be respected and given opportunity to be reached and yet Giuliani thought it better to begin a rushed quick dismantling of 'ground zero,' completely disregarding his most important constituency when it comes to reinforcing him as the 9/11 hero he has now determined to take his Presidential stance on.
The firefighters believe that the city went to a 'scoop and dump' policy because they were in a rush to retrieve gold. "The fact is that the Mayor's switch to a scoop-and-dump coincided with the final removal of tens of millions of dollars of gold, silver and other assets of the Bank of Nova Scotia that were buried beneath what was once the towers. Once the money was out, Giuliani sided with the developers that opposed a lengthy recovery effort, and ordered the scoop-and-dump operation so they could proceed with redevelopment." With his training as District Attorney for New York, Giuliani knows from his prosecutor days that the first rule of a criminal investigation is in cordoning off a crime scene and preventing the tampering or r
Length: 548
Rating: 4.60 (19 ratings)
Tags: 911 Rudy Giuliani Ron Paul firefighters toxicity Rosie O'Donnell View populist
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Keith Olbermann - Special Comment: Rudy Guiliani
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Keith Olbermann tell's exposes Rudy Guilliano for what he is a scum-sucking opportunist. Interestingly John McCain took very direct shot at Rudy today. Can you believe it. The New York fire and police departments are still using the same radios they used on 9-11. The ones that didn't allow them to talk to each other.
Length: 486
Rating: 4.80 (137 ratings)
Tags: keith olbermann msnbc countdown media bias george bush 2008 elections
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Rudy Guiliani thinks you should have REAL ID to get online
During the MSNBC Florida debate Rudy Guiliani said,
"We should develop a tamper proof ID card"
"and if you got the tamper proof ID card, then you'd be allowed to work, pay taxes, get online, become a citizen, follow the rules...."
1/24/08
Length: 10
Rating: 4.20 (295 ratings)
Tags: rudy guiliani ron paul alex jones real id biochips nau eu trade deals immigration
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Rio Guiliani Live Grüner Salon "Nathan"
Rio Guiliani first time life on stage, 12.07.2007, Grüner Salon, Volksbühne Berlin, Nathan
Length: 356
Rating: 5.00 (1 ratings)
Tags: Nathan Rio Guiliani Grüner Salon Voices Up
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Michigan Firefighters Devos Guiliani Rally
November 4, 2006 - Rally with First Responders. Dick DeVos Campaign for Governor of Michigan on the trail with Rudy Giuliani. This is a little bit of the rally that was in Taylor, Michigan to honor the heroic efforts of some of Michigan's first responders. A female fire cheif discusses the need for change in the current method of funding for the firefighters.
Length: 360
Rating: 5.00 (1372 ratings)
Tags: Devos Giuliani Michigan Governor firefighter first responder Taylor Clearline Design Granholm
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Guiliani - September Criminal or 911 hero? 1 of 9
Giuliani stated in an ABC News interview that he was given warning of a collapse well in advance of the actual event. I was "told that the World Trade Center was gonna' collapse," referring to the 9:59 destruction of the South Tower. "I went down to the scene and we set up a headquarters at 75 Barkley Street, which was right there with the Police Commissioner, the Fire Commissioner, the Head of Emergency Management, and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna' to collapse. And it did collapse before we could actually get out of the building, so we were trapped in the building for 10, 15 minutes, and finally found an exit, got out, walked north, and took a lot of people with us."
His account is corroborated by 2 different eye witness accounts from the passages of the Oral Histories of emergency responders. The account of EMT Richard Zarillo goes as follows: As I was walking towards the Fire command post, I found Steve Mosiello. I said, Steve, where's the boss? I have to give him a message. He said, well, what's the message? I said the buildings are going to collapse; we need to evac everybody out. With a very confused look he said who told you that? I said I was just with John at OEM. OEM says the buildings are going to collapse; we need to get out. He escorted me over to Chief Ganci. He said, hey, Pete, we got a message that the buildings are going to collapse. His reply was who the f___ told you that? Then Steve brought me in and with Chief Ganci, Commissioner Feehan, Steve, I believe Chief Turi was initially there, I said, listen, I was just at OEM. The message I was given was that the buildings are going to collapse; we need to get our people out. At that moment, this thunderous, rolling roar came down and that's when the building came down, the first tower came down."
Zarillo's recollection is verified by Fire Marshall Steven Mosiello's account: "At that point I don't know exactly when the Commissioner and Mayor had left. It was pretty soon after they had left that Richie Zarillo, who works with EMS -- I believe he's an OEM liaison -- came running up to me. I was not on the ramp at this time. I was like almost at the sidewalk location. He said Steve, where's the Chief? I have to tell him, you know -- I said tell him what, Richie? These buildings are in imminent danger of collapse. I said how do you know that, you know? So he ran with me. I ran over and grabbed Chief Ganci and said Chief, these buildings are in imminent danger of collapse."
Iif Giuliani knew the towers were 'to collapse' as he said he did, why not order emergency and rescue workers out of the buildings and save some of the 403 first responders that were killed on that day? The real question is: who in the OEM told Guiliani and Zarillo that the towers were pending collapse? If someone had prior knowledge of the towers destruction, perhaps that person can explain how they knew those towers were coming down.
Length: 584
Rating: 4.30 (12 ratings)
Tags: 911 Rudy Giuliani Ron Paul firefighters toxicity Rosie O'Donnell View populist
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9/11 Firefighters slam Rudy Guiliani
Firefighters still bitter over events that Rudy Screwed up. CNN via C&L
Length: 194
Rating: 4.70 (32 ratings)
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