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Morality and Determinism
So let's just say that telling people their behavior is completely determined by physical laws ends up increasing the probability that they behave immorally... is this enough reason to believe in free will, even if it isn't "true"?
Or is this even the right way to frame the question? Can science really claim that consciousness is caused by the brain? Surely there is no empirical proof of this. There is evidence for a relatively strong correlation between brain and mind, but causation? I think not. There is as of yet no plausible (or testable) theory for how the brain could create and control consciousness. Science deals in epistemology (what can be known), not ontology (what is). What can be known is that a change in a person's mental state is related to a change in their neurological state. We cannot conclude from this relationship that the neurological state is the same as the mental state, or that the mental state is merely a causal consequence of the physical interactions involved in the brain's behavior.
"One of the most frightening things in the Western world, and in this country in particular, is the number of people who believe in things that are scientifically false."
"...a person's mental activities are entirely due to the behavior of nerve cells, glial cells, and the atoms, ions, and molecules that make them up and influence them."
-Francis Crick
I believe Crick is here mistakenly assuming something to be scientific fact which is actually nothing more than his own particular metaphysical belief, one which is in striking contrast to his own experience of being human (I can only assume, as I know saying my behavior is entirely determined conflicts with my own experience).
The very fact that we can ask ourselves whether or not we believe in free will (and take the question seriously) seems already to require that we have it.
The study: http://www.psychologicalscience.org/media/releases/2008/vohs.cfm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priming_(psychology)
Length: 507
Rating: 4.90 (14 ratings)
Tags: science morality determinism freedom free will knot in intelligence self other brain mind consciousness experience
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The Rise - "The Fallacy of Retrospective Determinism"
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Length: 219
Rating: 4.00 (9 ratings)
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The Leonard Peikoff Show Clip - Free Will or Determinism
The Leonard Peikoff Show Clip - Success in Life, Free Will Vs. Determinism
Philosophy of Success II (Audio) - "Is Success Within Your Control?" (November 1998)
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Dear [qtronman],
I'm happy to see you reproduce the clips on YouTube, and I am forwarding this letter to Richard Ralston at ARI to ensure that the Institute has no problem with this.
Thank you for your interest and best wishes,
Leonard Peikoff
Executor, Estate of Ayn Rand
Length: 382
Rating: 4.20 (30 ratings)
Tags: Leonard Peikoff free will determinism success life choice volition willpower freedom Objectivism Objectivist Ayn Rand
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Re: Free will, a proposal (and the confusion about determinism)
Randomness is just a shorthand word for indeterminacy.
It is not ME who is arguing that the laws of quantum and "non-quantum" physics have something whatsover to do with free will and the brain, in the first place. In fact it is those who said "physics has proven that..." who are bringing it on, not me at all. So I must rebut the part of it that is groundless, because it contradicts what we know from science (what we know today, of course).
Then, if you didn't need hard-determinism "so much" in you argumentation in the first place, why did you ever bring it on? To waste my time? :-)
Length: 604
Rating: 5.00 (5 ratings)
Tags: free will determinism indeterminism causality veto quantum physics papackar GnosticAtheist g0at burnvictim77 Elaina43
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Free will, artificial minds, and a death-blow to determinism
shoutout to: munkoloid, 666norton420. subscribe to them.
watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6CVj5IQkzk
its about brain theory and artificial minds.
check out the following wikipedia-articles on the topic: turing machine, conway's game of life, universal computer, chomsky hierarchy
(help! noam chomsky is gradually taking over my channel!)
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=munkoloid
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=666norton420
Length: 504
Rating: 4.90 (34 ratings)
Tags: TED determinism free will turing universal computer philosophy science mathematics artificial intelligence minds
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